Subject: Re: On nil qua false [was: Re: On conditionals]
From: Erik Naggum <>
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 05:06:10 GMT
Newsgroups: comp.lang.lisp
Message-ID: <>

* Bruce Hoult
| Every time I or Andreas or someone else is interested in learning about
| and comparing the way CL does something with the way that other
| langauges do similar things, you for some reason I don't fathom
| immediately think that they want to *change* CL.

  NO, you imbecile.  It is that you want to make people feel their teeth
  with their tongue.  Normal people walk through their entire life not
  feeling their teeth with their tongue.  But, if something goes wrong,
  they keep feeling them all the time, and then they pay someone to fix it.
  What you are doing is to tell people that their teeth are wrong, when in
  fact they are not.  You run around like a headless chicken in this
  community and tell people that should feel their teeth because they have
  flaws that only you were smart enough to notice.  And so many people feel
  their teeth with their tongues, and make funny faces.  Then they have to
  explain to others why they are feeling their teeth with their tongue, and
  so lots of people get insecure about their teeth who were perfectly happy
  with them up until then.  This would raise "awareness" of something that
  really needs to be the subject of no awareness whatsoever, because it
  uses resources and concentration that should have had productive use.

  This would actually be a great thing to do for a _really_ devious dentist.

  But then you are so incredibly, insufferably annoying to tell people that
  "no, no, no, I do not want you to _change_ your teeth, there is nothing
  to fix, really, but just keep feeling your teeth, because I think it is
  so amusing to watch all you people make funny faces".   Then you do not
  grasp the first thing about people's reaction to your idiotic behavior.

| Astounded.

  Really?  Your ability to reason about what you do seems thinner than the
  homeopathic soup made by boiling the shadow of a pigeon starved to death.

  Dylan freaks seem so obsessed with their language they would kill their
  own mothers just so they could use the skin to make a drum to beat their
  own praises.

  That _widely_ used language seems utterly unspoilt by failure, and if its
  proponents should occasionally have stumbled across the truth, they have
  hastily picked themselves up and hurried on as if nothing had happened.

  The past is not more important than the future, despite what your culture
  has taught you.  Your future observations, conclusions, and beliefs are
  more important to you than those in your past ever will be.  The world is
  changing so fast the balance between the past and the future has shifted.