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Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.online.be!newsfeed.esat.net!nslave.kpnqwest.net!nloc.kpnqwest.net!nmaster.kpnqwest.net!nreader3.kpnqwest.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.lang.lisp Subject: Re: moderation (was Re: Nagging Naggum) References: <3218955132298566@naggum.net> <3219075914130754@naggum.net> <3219086537399318@naggum.net> <%njZ7.279$iR.150960@news3.calgary.shaw.ca> <3219179378224868@naggum.net> <3219428966774062@naggum.net> Mail-Copies-To: never From: Erik Naggum Message-ID: <3219473970182567@naggum.net> Organization: Naggum Software, Oslo, Norway Lines: 89 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 10:19:33 GMT X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@KPNQwest.no X-Trace: nreader3.kpnqwest.net 1010485173 193.71.66.49 (Tue, 08 Jan 2002 11:19:33 MET) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 11:19:33 MET Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.lisp:23855 * Erann Gat | I don't know. Why don't you tell us? You do it all the time. So the personal attack comes out in the open, but I guess that it is a good thing, because I do not, Erann. Just because you think so, does not make it so, but you will probably never grasp this distiction if you have not until now. When you have this bizarre need to make me much worse than I could ever be, I conclude that what I actually do is insufficient for any substantial criticism, you have just made up your mind that I am the Devil or something, and then you draw your bizarre conclusions from that instead of from observable reality. Using exaggerations like that means that you are out of control and need an imaginary monster to attack in order to defend your reactions to yourself. Demonization is well known to happen to people who completely fail to cope with something they do not like. It would appear that you are _frightened_ of me. This is simply not healthy. | No, that is not why I am a theory C person, but since you have | demonstrated an astonishing inability to consider the possibility that | you could be wrong about something I'm not going to waste the effort to | try and explain this to you. No, I have demonstrated an astonishing inability to consider the possibility that something that you believe, which _is_ wrong, is right, and therefore you confuse the two. The problem is, again, that you judge people as you see yourself. This conflict would never happen if _you_ could consider that what you believe is wrong, but Erann is so right that facts shall be subordinated to his will. We have had this discussion, Erann, and I have made it very, very clear that I work hard to acquire information that can update or alter or contradict my views, and also present information to others in the same spirit, and the fact that I change my mind about _something_ or other very frequently, should be very clear evidence against your deluded attacks on me, and they get more and more deluded as time goes on, to the point where they are so far from the truth I fully expect _everybody_ to see how fantastically silly they are. When was the last time you were even _right_ about anything you say about me? How have you responded to contradictions to your beliefs? Just have just been ever more aggressive in maintaining what you believe. I find that to be very clear evidence of a serious lack of mental stability. | You really should get over this idea that anyone who expresses an opinion | that is contrary to your worldview is attacking you. I have never had that idea, Erann, and you know it, too. But what I said did predict _exactly_ what you started your article with: an attack based on your misguided assumption that I or anyone else attack people who are constructive, so why are you doing that if I am wrong? When you behave exactly as I have predicted _and_ told you, one must wonder what is wrong with you who cannot see it and at least control your behavior long enough to _appear_ to be of a sound mind. You are in _fact_ attacking me, Erann Gat. Can you get this through your deluded mind, please? You are not "expressing an opinion contrary to my worldview" when you are telling insane lies about me to support your own need for your demonization to be true, you are quite simply attacking me. No excuses like difference of opinion can hide this fact, Erann. Please mature a bit and understand this, will you? | Despite the fact the people occasionally get fed up with you and vent | their frustrations on this newsgroup, the world is not nearly as obsessed | with you as you like to imagine that it is. Where do you _get_ all this insanity, Erann? I thought you had talked to people and gotten over your problems, already. Apparently not. Chill! And, despite your delusions of grandeur, Erann, _your_ obvious obsession with me does not make you "the world". A few people, such as yourself, have nothing better to do than attack me, and this is actually the very definition of obsession. It is all you do around here, these days, since you no longer actually use Common Lisp for anything. I guess that, too, is my fault, so now you need to take it out on me, again, or you would simply have been able to remain a theory C person and be polite _and_ constructive at the same time. But no, let's just _chuck_ theory C and attack me, again. That is Erann Gat for you. | The last time we exchanged messages you said you were giving up on me. | If you could be right about anything, please make it that. Geez, you really are nuts. You need serious amounts of counseling, Erann. This is not the place to help you get over your problems. I thought you wanted to make the impression that you were a theory C guy. Should you not be both polite and constructive, then Why are you such an insane little fuck who writes so much idiotic drivel about me when you think this is _wrong_ of you to do? Do I control your behavior, too? Are you, too, blaming me for your coping problems, Erann? Please see a therapist, Erann. You obviously have some _serious_ issues to work out. /// --