Subject: Re: looking for a language with any of the following 4 charachteristics  (all 4 would be nice).
From: Erik Naggum <>
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 19:46:59 GMT
Newsgroups: comp.lang.lisp
Message-ID: <>

* Erann Gat
| And we can trust you to find unreasonable interpretations of anything I say.

  You have no basis for this stupid retort.

| 1.  Despite the fact that Lisp had many more major language features much
| earlier than most other languages, it isn't perfect, and should continue
| to evolve if it is to keep its competitive edge.

  An instance of the bleeding obvious with which nobody disagrees.

| 2.  That conclusions ought to be drawn from evidence and not from
| arguments-from-authority.

  An instance of the bleeding obvious with which nobody disagrees.

| 3.  That you aren't always right about everything, and that assuming you
| are, while it may be a good heuristic for staying out of trouble, is not
| 100% effective at arriving at the truth.

  An instance of the bleeding obvious with which nobody disagrees.

  You clearly did not read the article you responded to when you found yet
  another moronic reason to hurl yet another moronic accusation my way.  I
  suggest you actually read it, now, lest you repeat something that has
  already been strongly refuted and falsified.

| Sure you are.  But if you are allowed to do these things, then so am I.
| I have never said you are not *allowed* to do these things.  My position
| has always been simply that you would be more effective if you didn't.

  Yes, towards you and in your view, which I am obligated to disregard
  because you are clearly nuts and unable to provide a balanced view or
  even information.

| We'd both have more time for technical contributions if we weren't
| fighting with each other all the time.  I'm ready to call this off any
| time you are.

  Coward.  I am not ready to call this off, as I think you are truly evil
  and as long as you keep posting your purely destructive bullshit about
  me, about Common Lisp, about other respected Lispers, you _will_ receive
  harsh replies.  You can stop fighting unilaterally.  Unlike you, I do not
  attack people who do not post anything bad.  I do _not_ make the first
  move.  That is your peculiar modus operandi, and one for which you should
  learn to accept full responsibility.  One way to do that is to accept the
  _humiliation_ you will feel if you quit posting your usual crap about and
  to me.  You will feel soundly defeated in your own view, but it is only
  in your view, because you are completely nuts and so enraged at the
  moment that you think that you will "lose face" if you do not respond.
  If you feel this way, as I suspect, it is all the more important that you
  actually stop fighting unilaterally.

  Also, please realize this, because you are so hard of learning and have
  such an investment in vilifying me far beyond anything reasonable, I am
  not responding to your extremely disgusting behavior, but your abuse of
  this forum with your incessant loads of crap, disinformation, confusion,
  and general ill will.  Just stop, return to whatever cave your ilk comes
  from, and things will return to normal.  Keep filling up this forum with
  your special kind of putrid disinformation, and you _must_ be fought, not
  just by me, but by anyone who wants comp.lang.lisp to be about Lisp, to
  foster an environment and a community where professional Lispers and
  those who want to become professional Lispers can find both personal and
  professional needs fulfilled.  You do neither, and it is your choice.
  There is nobody you can blame for your behavior.  Accept this and shut up.

  And if you are so goddamn happy about Python, go kick up some dirt in
  comp.lang.python, instead of making life so miserable for those who are
  quite happy with Lisp and who are working tirelessly to make the world of
  Lisp so much more enjoyable.  You are hurting the community and the
  ability of people to feel good about what they do.  In this forum, you
  are en evil influence.  Whatever happened to your stupid "faith" in Lisp,
  it is no longer our concern when you turn into a destructive bastard who
  blames other people for your lack of self-control.

  Show us that you are a man, and just quit.
  In a fight against something, the fight has value, victory has none.
  In a fight for something, the fight is a loss, victory merely relief.