From ... Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newsfeed.esat.net!nslave.kpnqwest.net!nloc.kpnqwest.net!nmaster.kpnqwest.net!nreader3.kpnqwest.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.lang.lisp Subject: Re: Newbie - 2 MORE Small problems? References: <91B767C5406A2E5D.5706A96A8B156A73.008B5E36E251D3CE@lp.airnews.net> <3224720776260433@naggum.net> <0fbn8us36rts6j6oc753pe7lhtj9421hb2@4ax.com> <3224781627311493@naggum.net> <87zo1grsie.fsf@becket.becket.net> <3224792161727500@naggum.net> <87r8msq7on.fsf@becket.becket.net> <3224796776298560@naggum.net> <87n0xf9akg.fsf@becket.becket.net> <3224799565333705@naggum.net> <87wuwj7tpo.fsf@becket.becket.net> <3224804504056965@naggum.net> <3224852341178439@naggum.net> <3224885382493980@naggum.net> <87zo1epn8g.fsf@becket.becket.net> <3224889541919293@naggum.net> <876642o66u.fsf@becket.becket.net> Mail-Copies-To: never From: Erik Naggum Message-ID: <3224891578446240@naggum.net> Organization: Naggum Software, Oslo, Norway Lines: 46 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 03:12:49 GMT X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@KPNQwest.no X-Trace: nreader3.kpnqwest.net 1015902769 193.71.199.50 (Tue, 12 Mar 2002 04:12:49 MET) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 04:12:49 MET Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.lisp:28534 * Thomas Bushnell, BSG | You know, I haven't seen anybody but you arguing why one must be better | than the others. *ONLY* *YOU*. Nobody else is saying any such thing. Nonsense. You keep arguing for why Scheme is better than Common Lisp. | You seem concerned that there are lots of Scheme people saying "Scheme is | the only thing worth considering", but I can't see any of them. Nary a | one. But what I *do* is you arguing, every chance you get, that Common | Lisp is the One True Lisp Dialect. Really? Where? Perhaps you can quote me on this? If you cannot find me actually saying that, perhaps you need to think a little about how you arrived at this ludicrous conclusion? Perhaps you can think a litle about how the annoying Scheme propagandists keep arguing that Scheme is, precisely, better than Common Lisp by virtue of some individual feature, like, _your_ preference for call/cc, for instance. I thought you said you had some training in philosophy, yet you keep making trivial mistakes, like not being able to distinguish arguments against what you are for from arguments for what you are against, and now this amazing lack of intellectual honesty in differentiating between what you see and what you conclude must have been. People who impute intent to other people and think they have _seen_ this intent are hopelessly lost in their own view of the world -- because they first have to realize that they do _not_ observe anybody's intent, they have concluded it from what they have seen and what _they_ have brought to the conclusions. I want a place where we can discuss Common Lisp issues without having to wade through tons of negative commentary about Common Lisp. You obviously fail to understand how your _own_ comments are negative and could use and sometimes _require_ a rejection of your arguments. What is this obnoxious nonsense about comparing Common Lisp to PL/1, for instance? You, of all people, who get incensed when I ridicule Scheme a little, do in fact spend a lot of your time denigrating Common Lisp in this forum. | Who is this "they"? Can we see names or Message-ID's or something? You, Thomas Bushnell. /// -- In a fight against something, the fight has value, victory has none. In a fight for something, the fight is a loss, victory merely relief.