From ... Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!skynet.be!skynet.be!ossa.telenet-ops.be!nmaster.kpnqwest.net!nreader1.kpnqwest.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.lang.lisp Subject: Re: "Choose the Right Language" in "Tutorial" by Norvig and Pitman References: <874rii2xc8.fsf@blitz.comp.com> <3CB72AD7.8ED5BF58@nyc.rr.com> Mail-Copies-To: never From: Erik Naggum Message-ID: <3227633289762959@naggum.net> Organization: Naggum Software, Oslo, Norway Lines: 30 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 20:48:10 GMT X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@KPNQwest.no X-Trace: nreader1.kpnqwest.net 1018644490 193.71.199.50 (Fri, 12 Apr 2002 22:48:10 MET DST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 22:48:10 MET DST Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.lisp:31559 * Kenny Tilton | That is an odd way to say the relational model is too primitive to | express OO Huh? Are you sure you understand the relational model, and not just the various implementations of it, such as SQL? | No "interface" is going to cure RDB's incompatibility with OO, it's just | going to knock performance to its knees. This makes zero sense. | [...] if one likes OO, ODB only makes sense. And RDB looks like a | dinosaur. Actually understanding the relational model seems to require really long time and serious effort from some people, since it is both exceedingly elegant and considerably counter-intuitive. Relational algebra and calculus are somehow hard. The theory underlying object-orientation is also elegant and counter-intuitive, despite what some people who have not quite grasped it think. Obbject-orientation is mostly hype and very little understanding and the way people think syntax like object.method is both necessary and sufficient is downright depressing. /// -- In a fight against something, the fight has value, victory has none. In a fight for something, the fight is a loss, victory merely relief. Post with compassion: http://home.chello.no/~xyzzy/kitten.jpg