Subject: Re: The Common Lisp Way (was: Re: Your introduction to Lisp...)
From: Erik Naggum <>
Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 23:57:19 GMT
Newsgroups: comp.lang.lisp
Message-ID: <>

* Erann Gat
| Now there is a subtlety that I can only dream of aspiring to.

  You really _have_ no concept of context.  This is quite interesting.

| I not in passing that despite the fact that you're constantly exhorting
| me to "shut up" about personal issues and stick with the technical, that
| in the last few responses that you've written to me you have deleted all
| the technical content and chosen to respond only to the personal.

  Because I want you to quit and stay technical.  You keep claiming that
  you do not want to engage in these things, yet you always _start_ them!
  You always have, too, but typically, you think you start shooting at me
  in "self-defense" even though you are never under attack, yourself.  Such
  self-defense by proxy is an _attack_.  You have a choice not to attack
  me.  You consistently fail to exercise that choice and blame _me_ for
  your own behavior.  That has to stop, too.  You keep obsessing about what
  I think or say and spend an inordinate amount of time attacking me even
  in replies to other people.  What is _wrong_ with you?

| So you see, Erik, the problem here isn't me, it's you.

  *sigh*  Of course, Erann.  You actually _believe_ it has to be just one
  culprit and it is so vitally important to your psychological well-being
  that it not be you that you actually _believe_ you have no responsbility
  for your own actions.  What makes some people get so screwed up?

  The problem is you, whether (you think) it is (also) me or not.  Grasp
  this and take charge of what you are responsible for, regardless of
  whether you think somebody else should do something "first".  Just do not
  start attacking me or talk about what you think I mean, For when you do,
  you always say something insulting, demaning, and just plain wrong that
  has to be countered, because you actually have no clue whatsoever what I
  think or believe.  I am _not_ the monster you have conjured up, so just
  quit lying about it, just quit talking _about_ me in ways that I have to
  respond to.  I would really appreciate if you nutjubs could just quit
  obsessing about me and start to take care of yourself and your own needs.

| I hate getting into these personal discussions and would much rather
| stick with technical issues.

  SO JUST DO IT, DAMNIT!  Take charge of your own miserable existence and
  just do what you think is right, you dimwit.  How hard can it be?

| But you simply refuse to engage me in a technical discussion,

  This is false.  When I respond to your techical points, you have a long
  track record of not being able to deal with it and to take _everything_
  so personally you talk about what you think I mean in unrelated articles.
  This is pathological.  You thought, paranoidly, that I was talking about
  you and that I thought you were a Scheme freak, but I have actually not
  said anything of the sort nor to that effect.  I am not concerned with
  you at all, you irrelevant idiot, but you keep lying about me.  You are
  an amazingly annoying jerk, not a Scheme freak.  Does that help?  Can you
  _please_ start coping, yet?

| I find this genuinely puzzling.  I can't for the life of me imagine what
| it is that you're really hoping to achieve.

  You started to attack me exceedingly viciously in order to change my
  behavior, but you have lost.  I am simply trying to show you how evil you
  are.  My goal is that you realize that you are responsible for your own
  actions in a flash if insight and understand your own role.

  In _could_ happen.  You _could_ actually realize that if you abstain from
  lying about me so much and you abstain from imagining your monsters and
  talking about them endlessly, there would be much less abuse here.  But
  people like you are so goddamn slow to realize what you do that your
  almost religious conviction that you do something right by attacking me
  that you will probably never understand what you are doing.  This is a
  peculiar mental illness, but the failure to accept responsibility for
  your own situation and do something constructive about it is not just a
  problem vis-a-vis me, it is a general problem you have exhibited here for
  a long time, quite unrelated to your obvious problems coping with what I
  think and say.

  In a fight against something, the fight has value, victory has none.
  In a fight for something, the fight is a loss, victory merely relief.

  Post with compassion: