Subject: Re: "Choose the Right Language" in "Tutorial" by Norvig and Pitman
From: Erik Naggum <>
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 17:17:39 GMT
Newsgroups: comp.lang.lisp
Message-ID: <>

* Todd Gillespie
> Of course, 'XML' is now an umbrella term for a dizzying array of
> ever-bifurcating standards and proposals

* Kenny Tilton
| oh shit, don't tell me there is a new technology which might be going
| thru some polishing!!! run way! run away!!!...the difference between an
| adventure and a disaster is the attitude you take into it

  Would you mind trying to act a bit more intelligent?

| chya. so you have RDB code at great expense creating the /illusion/ of
| "add the offset". This is a terribly intellectually dishonest assertion.
| apologize to c.l.l. imediately. (doing my best erik imitation.)

  Try imitating something within your reach, first, like a dog.

| uh, aside from the fact that you are wrong, the hardware folks are upping
| their performance so fast that not even Moore's law can keep up.

  Are you sure you have figured out what Moore's law says?

| How /you/ doin'?

  Less slang, more intelligibility, please.

| based on what I have heard, RDb is an excuse for two ignorances:
| (1) I do not know what language to use. (answer: duhhhhhhh, lisp!!!)
| (2) I do not know what index I will want tomorrow at 3PM (answer: don't
| quit your day job.)

  So you _have_ no clue.  I hate it when people confirm my suspicions.

  People who think object-orientation is so great, have generally failed to
  grasp the value of data-driven designs despite the serious attempt at
  making such design easier to model, and think solely in terms of code-
  driven designs where their class hierarchies are poor adaptations to
  their incompetent coding styles.  This is extremely depressing, as the
  interminable "software crisis" is a result of code-driven design.  SGML
  and XML were attempts at promoting data-driven design that would produce
  data that was _supposedly_ indepedent of any application.  The result is
  that people who have so little clue they should have attracted one simply
  by the sucking power of vacuum do code-driven designs in XML, which is
  _really_ retarded, and then they need to store their moronically designed
  data in databases, which is, of course, too hard given their braindamaged
  designs, so the relational model does not "work" for them.

  In a fight against something, the fight has value, victory has none.
  In a fight for something, the fight is a loss, victory merely relief.

  Post with compassion: