From ... Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newsfeed.stueberl.de!news.netway.at!nmaster.kpnqwest.net!nnum.kpnqwest.net!EU.net!nreader1.kpnqwest.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.lang.lisp Subject: Re: PART ONE: Lisp & Education: Re: Norvig's latest paper on Lisp References: <3D0F1427.21EEAD12@smi.de> <3D1034B0.5080305@objectent.com> <3D105E31.D72E363A@smi.de> <87wusuy7vn.fsf@cs.uga.edu> <3233585611763382@naggum.net> Mail-Copies-To: never From: Erik Naggum Message-ID: <3233617534657692@naggum.net> Organization: Naggum Software, Oslo, Norway Lines: 28 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 03:05:35 GMT X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@KPNQwest.no X-Trace: nreader1.kpnqwest.net 1024628735 193.71.199.50 (Fri, 21 Jun 2002 05:05:35 MET DST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 05:05:35 MET DST Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.lisp:35302 * Simon Katz | A warning: | I bought a copy (from Global Engineering) a few months ago. I was | hugely pissed off because it costs something like $400, and: Complain vociferously. I got a real book, well bound, and very nicely printed on fairly thin, high-quality, and acid-free paper. Except for the always poor choice of not overriding Don Knuth's aesthetic taste in fonts, it is a very nicely formatted text. (Yeah, I also bought the PDF version, which is a cruel joke. No wonder Common Lisp is not more popular! The stupid ANSI Catalog does not even list it correctly, so it is very hard to order.) | Has anyone bought a decent copy recently? Not recently. I bought mine directly from ANSI. I have received mail to the effect that Global only does loose-leaf copies and should be avoided, but it seems hard to do just that given their relationship with ANSI. I also cannot verify this information except to say that when I bought my first copy of ANSI C from Global mere weeks after it was published, the front page was a color copy and the rest was loose-leaf on crappy paper. If I were in your shoes, I would take this up with ANSI and demand a real copy for the money you had paid Global. -- Guide to non-spammers: If you want to send me a business proposal, please be specific and do not put "business proposal" in the Subject header. If it is urgent, do not use the word "urgent". If you need an immediate answer, give me a reason, do not shout "for your immediate attention". Thank you.