Subject: Re: Upper limits of CL
From: Erik Naggum <>
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 14:05:43 GMT
Newsgroups: comp.lang.lisp
Message-ID: <>

* Joe Marshall
| You're starting from the false premise that management thinks at all.

  Oh, management thinks.  It just does not think about things that matter to
  non-management.  There is lots and lots of evidence of thinking mangagers,
  but they evidently value wildly different things than non-management.  E.g.,
  in a huge corporation from which several of my friends have fled recently,
  management at all levels have generous bonus programs, thought to be a kind
  of motivator, but it leads to a very curious metric for all ideas that are
  offered them: "How does this affect my bonus?"  Needless to say, when bonuses
  are paid at the end of every quarter, any idea that fails to promise a bonus
  increase for that particular manager in the current or next quarter is just
  ignored or worse, yet, is actively blocked from propagated upwards because
  the lowest-level manager does not want others to get a bonus for his work.
  It is somewhat like giving children candy for everything they do to motivate
  them -- you get to pay for it in dental health bills.  Generally speaking,
  they provide some evidence to the theory that motivation does not motivate,
  it only demotivates that which is not explicitly motivated.  Management is
  generall running on the wrong kinds of stimulators and motivators.
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