Subject: Re: The Next Generation of Lisp Programmers
From: Erik Naggum <>
Date: 27 Aug 2002 05:08:07 +0000
Newsgroups: comp.lang.lisp
Message-ID: <>

* (Ziv Caspi)
| 1. It doesn't help you when you're reading printouts.

  Why do you consider it important that programming languages be optimized for
  printouts?  And what kind of printouts?  Line printers with 132-column zebra
  paper?  Does processing with lgrind and printing on 1200dpi laser printers
  solve your problems?  How about color printers?  Please let us know how we
  can solve your printout problems while we continue to read source code on
  high-resolution graphical workstations with coloration aid and dynamic
  collapsing and expansion of structure.

| 2. Editors can also get confused.

  Are you arguing against me because you have some misguided notion of
  perfection such that since my position does not live up to your standard of
  perfection since you can invent all sorts of bogus non-problems, you should
  discard it entirely without even thinking about it?

  /Something/ is clearly confused here.

| >  Sorry, but this is nonsense.
| Don't be sorry. Rather, explain your position. Is the proper response
| to "this is nonsense" is "no, it's not"?

  I note that you choose to criticize me rather than explain your own position
  better.  You had the opportunity to expand on what you meant and make it
  make more sense, but chose to address my behavior, instead, which makes me
  think that you have absolutely no defense whatsoever against my charge that
  it is nonsense.  And as nonsense, it merits absolutely no further comment on
  my part.  It is /your/ position.  Deal more productively with rejection.

  If you post more unproductive articles, I am unlikely to want to respond.

Erik Naggum, Oslo, Norway

Act from reason, and failure makes you rethink and study harder.
Act from faith, and failure makes you blame someone and push harder.