From ... Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.infoave.net!news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!uio.no!nntp.uio.no!ifi.uio.no!not-for-mail From: Erik Naggum Newsgroups: comp.lang.lisp Subject: Re: newbie: using packages and CLOS Date: 31 Aug 2002 13:16:01 +0000 Organization: Naggum Software, Oslo, Norway Lines: 26 Message-ID: <3239788561495055@naggum.no> References: <3D6E425E.2030709@hotmail.com> <3D6E96C7.6000902@hotmail.com> <3239660219282629@naggum.no> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: maud.ifi.uio.no 1030799762 2692 129.240.64.16 (31 Aug 2002 13:16:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@ifi.uio.no NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 Aug 2002 13:16:02 GMT Mail-Copies-To: never User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.2 Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.lisp:39220 * Harald Hanche-Olsen | Indeed. But how do you learn which is which? You either have a good mentor or you think about the functionality offered by the various macros and functions and realize when and where to use them. This is a long-winded process, of course. | CLOS is an extreme example - learning CLOS from the specification was a much | too daunting task for me given the amount of time I can make available to | such tasks. Now that I finally got around to reading Sonja Keene's book I | can probably go back and learn the rest from the hyperspec as I need to, but | you need that kind of kickstart to get going. (This from a guy who once | learned Simula from reading the Common Base - but my aging brain is no | longer up to such feats.) That pretty much mimicks my development with both Simula and CLOS. I am not sure about the Common Base, but I got hold of a brief report on the language from Norsk Regnecentral and aced the Simula course at the U of Oslo. CLOS was basically impenetrable before Keene, even with the aid of the 3rd edition of Winston & Horn. -- Erik Naggum, Oslo, Norway Act from reason, and failure makes you rethink and study harder. Act from faith, and failure makes you blame someone and push harder.