From ... Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!news.algonet.se!algonet!newsfeed1.bredband.com!bredband!uio.no!nntp.uio.no!ifi.uio.no!not-for-mail From: Erik Naggum Newsgroups: comp.lang.lisp Subject: Re: LISP - The Challenge of Nested Macros Date: 03 Sep 2002 13:28:03 +0000 Organization: Naggum Software, Oslo, Norway Lines: 24 Message-ID: <3240048483968979@naggum.no> References: <3D72EAA1.1090100@pontos.net> <3D73C9D8.2090301@pontos.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: maud.ifi.uio.no 1031059685 20015 129.240.64.16 (3 Sep 2002 13:28:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@ifi.uio.no NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Sep 2002 13:28:05 GMT Mail-Copies-To: never User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.2 Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.lisp:39497 * Dave Pearson | Assuming you mean what I think you mean when you say "standard-language", my | background is in languages that use the comma to separate arguments and | other things and I've never had a problem switching from those languages, to | Lisp, and back again. I'd be surprised to find that anyone has a problem | with this after the first few moments. The problem with syntax is in the programmer's opiniated mind. Suppose you were told that you had to write all of Common Lisp's multi-word symbol names without a hyphen, but instead with shifting the first letter of the word. Would you scream and shout and think this idiotic or would you adjust to the new requirement and keep going at what is more important to you, namely what you seek to accomplish with your software-writing skills and abilities? After all, it is only a question of which key to press between words, right? So, the real question is: at what point does syntax become more important than your real task? To someone who has nothing whatsoever to accomplish, syntax can be arbitrarily important. -- Erik Naggum, Oslo, Norway Act from reason, and failure makes you rethink and study harder. Act from faith, and failure makes you blame someone and push harder.