Subject: Re: religion
From: Erik Naggum <>
Date: 05 Sep 2002 16:24:29 +0000
Newsgroups: comp.lang.scheme,comp.lang.lisp
Message-ID: <>

* Ray Blaak
| I wasn't in fact complaining, only observing.

  Oh, come on!  You selectively "observe" and provide a complaint as a result
  because you rate your selective observations.  If you were truly /observing/,
  you would not feel such an enormous need to post a conclusion.

| Think about it: this thread is *about* the tolerance levels of the
| newsgroups.

  I have in fact observed that the vast majority of the idiotic fights in
  comp.lang.lisp are caused by some idiot who "observes" how hostile the
  newsgroup is -- to people who come to it to complain and do not even have
  the mental wherewithall to realize that they cannot both observe and comment
  negatively at the same time.  The two are mutually exclusive.  If you post
  your stupid observation, you elevate the things you have selected to some
  mystical importance where all the other observations that you probably did
  not even notice, vanish in the noise.  The fact is, /you/ highlight negative
  experiences and fit into the long line of people who have nothing to offer
  to this forum except your idiotic conclusions, /not/ observations, about the
  forum.  If we could find a way to get rid of these moronic meta-debates that
  people like you start and falsely accuse people of things you have not even
  bothered to pay attention to, your kind would not have much anything to
  complain about, either.

| It is disingenuous to simply consider as invalid any position that is
| pointing out the problem.

  But /why/ did you feel like posting your negative comment to begin with?

| The fix is not necessarily to make sure nobody responds to the cretins.  All
| that is required is for people to lighten up, bigtime. That is, don't get
| angry, upset, annoyed, etc., so easily.

  So do your part and don't piss people off with your selective "observations".

| There are gentler ways with dealing with the clueless that are simply more
| effective, namely, pointing out the error of their ways *without* invective
| convulsions, and then if they don't get it, simply ignoring them or the
| entire thread.

  Yeah, and I see your name trying to do this all the time, right?  You would
  not even  understand what you do until you have posted several thousand
  helpful messages to morons who want you to do their homework, to hold their
  hands, to answer their next question and the next because they are to fucking
  stupid to be able to figure out anything on their own.  Do this for a while
  and tell me that you follow your own advice.

| You yourself have improved dramatically in the last number of months, making
| an obviously concerted effort to reign things in.  I honestly congratulate you.

  Fuck you.  So why did you have to complain?  Goddamn whining negativists.

Erik Naggum, Oslo, Norway

Act from reason, and failure makes you rethink and study harder.
Act from faith, and failure makes you blame someone and push harder.