Subject: Re: CLOS is hard. Let's go shopping  (Was Re: Lisp in Python)
From: Erik Naggum <>
Date: 03 Oct 2002 21:07:24 +0000
Newsgroups: comp.lang.lisp
Message-ID: <>

* Raffael Cavallaro
| In other words, civil behavior is expected to be the *norm*.

  Why are you then unable to behave towards me?

| One should, however, expect to be chided for roasing newbies alive, or
| asking people to commit suicide, etc.

  But not, apparently, disturbing the peace the way you do?  When you are
  criticized for that, you go mad.  Could you /please/ make a serious effort
  to understand that you have no right to behave the way you do no matter
  how offended you are?  That, in fact, your emotional response is not the
  topic of this newsgroup?  If you have such a problem with it, send mail.
  When you choose to flaunt your personal problems in public the way you
  do, you could not /possibly/ make anything better.  This is all the more
  true if you think I flaunt my personal problems with idiots in public, so
  you really have no excuse whatsoever for what /you/ do.  Accept that and
  we might have a useful starting point in a dialog.  If you unthinkingly
  assume the right to do what you do, you near-explicitly validate mine.
  This is the message that I receive, regardless of your words.  Understand
  this, and you should be able to choose an approach that actually works.

Erik Naggum, Oslo, Norway

Act from reason, and failure makes you rethink and study harder.
Act from faith, and failure makes you blame someone and push harder.