From ... Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!129.240.148.23!uio.no!nntp.uio.no!ifi.uio.no!not-for-mail From: Erik Naggum Newsgroups: comp.lang.lisp Subject: Re: "Well, I want to switch over to replace EMACS LISP with Guile." (was Re: Lisp in Python) Date: 15 Oct 2002 14:28:55 +0000 Organization: Naggum Software, Oslo, Norway Lines: 37 Message-ID: <3243680935954446@naggum.no> References: <44d4f61c.0210140635.c78df51@posting.google.com> <44d4f61c.0210142111.af50c27@posting.google.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: maud.ifi.uio.no 1034692136 14150 129.240.65.5 (15 Oct 2002 14:28:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@ifi.uio.no NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Oct 2002 14:28:56 GMT Mail-Copies-To: never User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.2 Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.lisp:43932 * Greg Neumann | 3) lisp users will probably find the transition to scheme no more jarring | than the schemer's transition to lisp So much approximation and so many statements without foundation... Most Scheme users at least have attained a level of precision in the regular communication. This is not so, either. From Scheme to Common Lisp is like a refugee from very rural Pakistan who gets relocated to Oslo, Norway, and still thinks that he could make better food if he were only allowed to light a fire in his living room instead of using that complex electric stove. (This is a real news item. Every now and then, landlords discover indoor fireplaces and occasionally the "newbies" to civilization burn down the building.) While it may seem "jarring" to the newbie to learn the ropes of a society that has evolved at least a thousand years further than what they left, it would not be the same for us to try out their lifestyle. | 4) it's free software, so emacs can be forked whether or not rms wants it | to Wrong. The illusion of freedom with supposedly free software is blinding to people who have never tried to make use of it. | 5) this is a gnu project, and presumably they like to use scheme, so they | should work on what they like. Plus rms just might know a thing or two | about emacs, lisp and scheme. Why does he need you to be a go-between to the Common Lisp community? Please remove some of your attitude and listen a little more. -- Erik Naggum, Oslo, Norway Act from reason, and failure makes you rethink and study harder. Act from faith, and failure makes you blame someone and push harder.