From ... Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsfeed1.bredband.com!bredband!uio.no!nntp.uio.no!ifi.uio.no!not-for-mail From: Erik Naggum Newsgroups: comp.lang.lisp Subject: Re: Difference between LISP and C++ Date: 24 Oct 2002 19:48:59 +0000 Organization: Naggum Software, Oslo, Norway Lines: 51 Message-ID: <3244477739479345@naggum.no> References: <3243777529201772@naggum.no> <87jr9.16182$wU3.1470073@news0.telusplanet.net> <3244408926315714@naggum.no> <3244412771159991@naggum.no> <87lm4oef2q.fsf@darkstar.cartan> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: maud.ifi.uio.no 1035488940 8464 129.240.65.5 (24 Oct 2002 19:49:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@ifi.uio.no NNTP-Posting-Date: 24 Oct 2002 19:49:00 GMT Mail-Copies-To: never User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.2 Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.lisp:44606 * Pekka P. Pirinen | It's best just to ignore Erik Naggum. You'll be sucked into a mire of | hostility if you argue with him. People who make this argument say something about themselves that smarter people than them know well how to interpret. The arrogance of people who confuse their opinions with facts is one of the things I attack. You demonstrate quite clearly that there is useful distinction between your conclusions and observable reality. Therefore, you are never wrong in your own view, and anyone who counters your claims is wrong at best, irrational at worst. For people who have acquired the insight that their conclusions are not identical to reality, but based on their limited understanding of a limited part of it at the time, the ability to learn from their mistakes follow naturally, as well as their ability to deal with people who have observed more or different parts of reality than they have. You clearly lack the prerequisite insight. This has been obvious for years from the snotty remarks you make when you think you know the only possible answer and your silence when it becomes clear that it was far from the only possible answer. People who have learned how to think discover others who share this joy and tend to be annoyed with people who have never acquired that skill and especially those who consider themselves superior /because/ they believe they do not "have to" think, which they consider a dirty practice of people who do not automatically know the Truth, like they do. Pekka P. Pirinen has come across as that kind of arrogant ignorant asshole far too long to have gone unnoticed as such by those who are /not/ so incredibly happy to have found the first answer that they never look any further. If you know what you talk about, I listen. If you do not, and you do not listen, either, I may be scathing of your stupidity, because you should know better. Some people never understand what they have done wrong, however, because they believe that listening to other people is a waste of their valuable time, especially when they prefer their prejudices to learning something that may cause them to feel as ignorant as they are. Pekka P. Pirinen is one of those lucky men who cannot be taught anything. Sadly, he only finds it worth his time to share of his infinite wisdom when he can hurt someone with it. This is the main reason he gets into a mire of hostility, like the defectiveness of "Mel" got her into trouble. The most tragic part of all is that people like Pekka and "Mel" actually believe they are perfect and models for all the rest of mankind and then it could not possibly matter to them how evil they are towards others. -- Erik Naggum, Oslo, Norway Act from reason, and failure makes you rethink and study harder. Act from faith, and failure makes you blame someone and push harder.