Subject: Re: Difference between LISP and C++
From: Erik Naggum <>
Date: 28 Oct 2002 15:54:58 +0000
Newsgroups: comp.lang.lisp
Message-ID: <>

* arien <spammers_suck@getlost.invalid> said:
| Well, perhaps Mr Nagger has to learn how to communicate effectively with 
| people. I am obviously not the only one, so Mr Nagger should learn to be 
| *nice* to people.

* Vassil Nikolov <>
| If you refer to Erik Naggum, why do you misspell his name?

  Please note how nice this arien slut is to me.  I should learn to be nice
  to people, says the most uncouth and selfish sleazebag we have had here
  in months.  I always find it fascinating how egoistic some of these
  people who want others to be nice are.  They do not want people to be
  nice -- if they did, "people" would have included themselves -- they only
  want other people to be nice to /them/, and that is the full extent of
  their concern for human behavior.

  People who consider a public forum a different kind of place than private
  spaces, also consider this kind of public masturbation to be incredibly
  offensive.  But to people whose sole concern in their entire lives is how
  nice other people are to them, how they behave towards others could not
  possibly matter. We have seen this time and again on this newsgroup,
  where the feel-good guys mount vicious hate campaigns, post hostile and
  deeply insulting "opinions" about others -- because those others have not
  been "nice".  The concept that being nice should start with oneself does
  not /register/ with these egoistic shitheads.  If someone is not nice to
  /them/, they feel justified in attacking them with no moral bounds.  This
  is actually very telling -- these are people who are only behaving well
  as long as they do not have an excuse to do what they really want to do
  to people.  Therefore, assume that someone who wants others to be nice is
  evil and destructive and egoistic and hedonistic until proven rational.

  Also take a look at the "address" used by this "arien" character.  Try to
  think of the mental state of someone who considers it appropriate use of
  the /address/ field of the messages that should be used to get back to the
  person behind the message if need be to hurl insults at people who have
  done nothing wrong.  The presumption of evil intent that underlies the
  decisions of this person are communicated very well in such instances.
  The interaction with others is based on the premise that other people
  will be bad.  Now, a "be nice" from such a person is a "be nice to me or
  I'll redecorate your face with a crowbard".  The violence /perceived/ by
  this person when subjected to something different from "nice", is also
  reflecting the personality of this person.  Like so many fragile feel-good
  jerks, this person assumes that others attack before looking closely.

  What amazes me is that the feel-good jerks condone such behavior by
  trying to help this shithead and being oh-so-patient when they stage the
  most horrendous attacks against me when I am not "nice" to some shithead.
  It confirms in my view the link between having an evil personality and
  curtailing one's urges in order to be "good" to other people.  Religions
  have been based upon this view of the human being and its ability to act
  morally.  It is still fundamentally evil.  And people who want "nice"
  will probably never evolve into /moral/ human beings because it is
  precisely that being "nice" that keeps them from confrontations that
  could have taught them something about other people that are not mirror
  images and carbon copies of themselves.  Therefore, it is very telling
  when someone of that persuasion does not feel that others are being nice
  to them -- they have never learned anything about human behavior and
  revert to the most brutal, pre-civilized, revenge- and hateful behavior
  you can think of.  When your ethics /only/ involves your relations with
  people who are "nice" to you, and you /have/ no ethics if people do not
  behave according to your standards, but are free to do anything you want,
  you are a parasite on society and your own feeble excuse for ethics
  depends on that of others.  It is not when people agree on everything
  that you need contracts, laws, etiquette, etc, it is when they do not.
  Those who lose track of every moral precept when they feel an excuse to
  be "offended" are therefore less than human beings.

  However, the feel-good jerks here openly encourage such people, and are
  very hostile to those who actually want civilization.  This does not come
  as a surprise to me, of course, having seen the feel-good jerks become
  the most insanely hostile idiots even Stephen King would have problems
  making up when they are "offended" themselves.  I guess that the kind of
  sub-human that wants others to be nice to eachother work well together
  and feel much in common.  I note clearly how Pascal Constanza does /not/
  reprimand this arien slut's behavior towards me.  This is probably all I
  need to know about Pascal Costanza and his feel-good policy.

Erik Naggum, Oslo, Norway

Act from reason, and failure makes you rethink and study harder.
Act from faith, and failure makes you blame someone and push harder.