Subject: Re: Difference between LISP and C++
From: Erik Naggum <>
Date: 31 Oct 2002 20:32:10 +0000
Newsgroups: comp.lang.lisp
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* Tim Bradshaw
| What it [Java] is, though, is a fantastic piece of engineering.  

* Joe Marshall
| It's a fantastic piece of marketing.

  But unlike Microosft's fantastic marketing, what was marketed was not the
  absence of a language so that nobody else would try to take the place of
  their future product while they incompetently tried to make something
  that would meet their wildly inflated expectations and forever promising
  more so people would not want to change to something actually better lest
  they miss out on the fantastic future of their crappy products, but an
  actual language with significant technical support behind it.  Instead of
  rivaling L. Ron Hubbard and other religion-makers with 10% explanation
  and 90% promises, Sun actually delivered a programming language and a
  solid technology.  Tim's assessment as a fantastic piece of engineering
  is certainly how I regard Java, too.

Erik Naggum, Oslo, Norway

Act from reason, and failure makes you rethink and study harder.
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