Subject: Re: Lisp Machines considered Inferior
From: Erik Naggum <>
Date: 11 Nov 2002 01:08:51 +0000
Newsgroups: comp.lang.lisp
Message-ID: <>

* Scott Schwartz
| Sure, 1.44 MB is a lot.  Linux at least has the excuse of supporting lots
| of devices.  On a very vanilla system a kernel of a few hundred KB is
| easily managed.

  When built, /usr/src/linux is 3,569,040 bytes and /boot/vmlinuz is
  1,303,242 bytes.  I have no idea why it still complains about the floppy
  size, it should have fit.  However, my machine now has 1,048,576K of
  memory, but systemt status reports say only 1,032,908K are available.  As
  far as I can see, that is 15,668K of memory in the kernel alone.

| How big did you say your lisp runtime was?

  The full Common Lisp environment with a lot of stuff pre-loaded consumes
  all of 8,576K of memory when it starts up.  That is half the Linux kernel.

| If you can reimplement qmail in lisp, and do as well, I'd be amazed and
| delighted.

  WTF would I reimplement such a braindamaged design for?

  Dude, your whole weltanschauung needs a serious readjustment.  You have
  walked too far in the one direction you have chosen to see that any other
  direction you could have chosen would have brought you to places with no
  loss of convenience or quality of life, even if you had not walked as far,
  but from where you are now to any other such place is probably farther
  than it would have been from the common starting point.  This is how
  people get trapped in the Valley of Death with Microsoft, too, for the
  farther they walk into that valley, the taller the mountains they would
  have to scale to get out of it.  I always saw Unix as the Great Plains.

Erik Naggum, Oslo, Norway

Act from reason, and failure makes you rethink and study harder.
Act from faith, and failure makes you blame someone and push harder.