Subject: Re: CLL statistics for 2002 (was: Looking for Lisp compiler)
From: Erik Naggum <>
Date: 30 Dec 2002 16:49:13 +0000
Newsgroups: comp.lang.lisp
Message-ID: <>

* Oleg <>
| I agree with you and Richard Fateman, who started a thread about
| this a couple of months ago, that CLL is quite uncivilized. Why it
| is so is a mystery.

  Suppose people suddenly became friendly in comp.lang.lisp.  Would
  you be able to notice it or would you still project animosity and
  hostility onto others so you could have an excuse to keep hating?
  Do you trouble-starters have any concept of personal responsibility
  or any idea of your ability to /change/ the climate by shutting up?

  This forum is uncivilized because uncivilized people think it is OK
  to be uncivilized here.  If you really want to know, ask "wni" why
  he felt no compunctions about posting /his/ hostility.  Normal and
  well-adjusted people have an element of restraint that he and those
  like him lack, and which furthermore means that their indignation
  is not only everybody's business, but that telling them to curtail
  /their/ abuse of this forum is grounds for further indignation.  If
  anyone still objects to my characterization of these people by
  their rightful name: morons, please explain why what they do is not
  utterly devoid of every symptom of intelligence.

  Get rid of the people who believe this forum exists to share their
  opinions on how well the forum functions, and it /will/ function.
  The solution is pretty simple: Stay focused on what you believe the
  forum should be about; exhibit concentration and goal-directedness;
  exercise restraint; demonstrate your ability to act in accordance
  with your own convictions regarding behavior in public; apply your
  intelligence and stop doing things that exacerbate the situations
  you do not desire and do things that would ameliorate it instead;
  realize that if you cannot do it yourself, demanding it of others
  is not only morally bankrupt, it demonstrates that the purpose of
  the demands is to make someone the fall guy instead of accepting
  responsibility for one's own behavior, so it can be improved -- all
  they actually want is to blame someone for their own shortcomings,
  and they should not be surprised that the fall guy objects to this
  unjustness.  Clean up your own act and show the world that /you/
  can behave, and all the problems will simply go away on their own.

Erik Naggum, Oslo, Norway

Act from reason, and failure makes you rethink and study harder.
Act from faith, and failure makes you blame someone and push harder.