Subject: Re: source access vs dynamism From: Erik Naggum <email@example.com> Date: 1999/09/12 Newsgroups: comp.lang.lisp Message-ID: <firstname.lastname@example.org> * Raffael Cavallaro | I've simply asked you to: | | 1. Stop blaming oppressed people for being oppressed. oh, now I see. _that's_ what you've been reading into what I'm saying, and of course it makes sense for you to talk about oppressedd people in irrelevant countries in defense of oppressed people everywhere! it all makes sense, now: you're nuts. funny you didn't bring up the Holocaust, but maybe my rebuttal to that insanity was good enough so you had to try this insane stunt, instead? geez, take your own advice, and stick to talking about Lisp. no one has even been thinking in such terms except yourself. no one has started what you ask me to stop, except yourself. think of something else, and this whole idiocy will vanish completely. thank you so much. I did get one insightful message after these encounters with political correctness in the freedom-of-speech-loving U.S. in mail recently, which tried to explain the incredibly oppressive conditions that Americans live under (that's my wording, not his), wherein any mention of certain words in or out of context causes a large number of people to feel morally obliged to go nuts in defense of whatever they feel very strongly about. it's like saying "don't mention the war" as advice to someone visiting Germany, except I can understand why that particular advice is sound, if not somewhat ridiculized. what's the list of things you should never mention to Americans? it seems to be awfully long, and getting longer and longer. who should be "blamed" for this situation if not the people who have quietly accepted to have public discource bullied into silence by morons? who should be "blamed" for a culture in which the mention of _facts_ causes people to see your defense of all kinds of atrocities that _they_ have never experienced themselves, but nonetheless connect with those facts? why isn't this diagnosed and treated as a mental disorder? call it trauma-by-proxy or something, but get help! meanwhile, I'll take note of the fact that a lot of people are sick, and _try_ not say things that upsets them, but who knows what kinds of things will upset people who live in a culture where the principle that others can be blamed for something you associate with what they say is accepted. over here, we accept responsibility for hurting people on purpse, but this victimization high that the U.S. is on seems to be the reverse: people hurt others on purpose because they feel that whoever caused them to _feel_ hurt should be punished, and when someone feels hurt, it allows them to go bananas and sue _whoever_ and claim that they have done it on purpose to them, if they don't take the law in their own hands and just blame people for things they haven't done or riot or whatever it is you think you can do with impunity when you're a morally outraged victim. I have long said that Norway has a culture of envious losers, but the U.S. looks more and more like it has a culture of victims or victims-by-proxy. #:Erik -- it's election time in Norway. explains everything, doesn't it?