Subject: Re: Allegro CL 6.0 Trial Edition
From: Erik Naggum <>
Date: 30 Oct 2000 21:03:23 +0000
Newsgroups: comp.lang.lisp
Message-ID: <>

* Mike McDonald
| I'm afraid most US college students don't really go to college for
| an education (IMO).

  That's fine with me.  I don't have to care about every college
  student to be able to reach but a few of them.  I leave such caring
  about everybody to brilliant minds like that of George W. Bush,
  which has me wondering what the GOP _rejects_ were like.  Christ.

| Inorder to increase the demand for Lisp, colleges would have to
| decide teaching how to think was more important than the relevancy
| of teaching the last fad language.

  Or they could at the very least ensure that those who attend them
  are not actively discouraged if they happen to want an education.

| I don't know how to turn the tide so that critical thinking and
| problem solving are valued attributes of members of a work force.

  I do: Quit thinking that you're _ever_ dealing with masses.  If you
  cannot bring yourself to be satisified that you reach a brain, but
  have to be disappointed because you can't change a culture, give up
  before you hurt every brain you could have reached and the culture
  gets you.

| I guess drones are just easier to produce and control.

  The whole concept of educating lots of _very_ different children at
  the same pace in an "industrial" setting that forced everybody to be
  exposed to the same tasks at the same time even though there is very
  solid evidence that this hurts both the weak and the strong children
  is a product of the industrial revolution, when factories wanted
  lots of people who could obey a central authority figure (teacher,
  floor manager, same shit).  Drones are easier to produce in such a
  system because that is the express purpose, and it has never even
  _tried_ anything else.  That's why the drones must be _ignored_.
  When the time comes, they will do what those you taught tell them.

  Does anyone remember where I parked Air Force One?
                                   -- George W. Bush