Subject: Re: Off topic: FSF, Emacs and XEmacs (was Re: help! absolute beginner)
From: Erik Naggum <>
Date: 1998/12/16
Newsgroups: comp.lang.lisp
Message-ID: <>

* (Christopher R. Barry)
| This is kinda off topic, but after all your talk Erik about your
| involvement with the FSF and Emacs, and all the things you had to say
| about what's wrong with Emacs, I'm kinda curious about what your "from
| the _inside_ of the FSF" view of XEmacs is.

  well, nobody cares.  XEmacs is a bunch of hateful lunatics who appear to
  take pleasure in attacking Emacs users and maintainers for no good reason
  yet aren't anywhere near as good at what they're doing as the Emacs
  people are (except in the MULE division, where XEmacs got it right and
  the MULE team in Emacs act as if they think that because Japan suffered
  exclusion for a lot of years, now Europe can suffer, instead).

| I can see in your X-Newsreader header that you're using Stallmacs instead
| of XEmacs,

  you can?  really?  "Stallmacs", even?  look, you should know by now that
  I hate idiots.  do me a favor and haul your ass over to Bagdad, OK?  but
  since you bring it up, look a little closer:

X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.2003

  doesn't look much like "Stallmacs" to me.  I get the impression that you
  aren't very careful in collecting evidence before you jump to conclusions.
  I need some evidence that XEmacs proponents aren't _all_ fucking morons,
  and you're not it, so let me just can this off topic discussion right now.

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