Subject: Re: Newbie - 2 MORE Small problems?
From: Erik Naggum <>
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 03:12:49 GMT
Newsgroups: comp.lang.lisp
Message-ID: <>

* Thomas Bushnell, BSG
| You know, I haven't seen anybody but you arguing why one must be better
| than the others.  *ONLY* *YOU*.  Nobody else is saying any such thing.

  Nonsense.  You keep arguing for why Scheme is better than Common Lisp.

| You seem concerned that there are lots of Scheme people saying "Scheme is
| the only thing worth considering", but I can't see any of them.  Nary a
| one.  But what I *do* is you arguing, every chance you get, that Common
| Lisp is the One True Lisp Dialect.

  Really?  Where?  Perhaps you can quote me on this?

  If you cannot find me actually saying that, perhaps you need to think a
  little about how you arrived at this ludicrous conclusion?  Perhaps you
  can think a litle about how the annoying Scheme propagandists keep
  arguing that Scheme is, precisely, better than Common Lisp by virtue of
  some individual feature, like, _your_ preference for call/cc, for

  I thought you said you had some training in philosophy, yet you keep
  making trivial mistakes, like not being able to distinguish arguments
  against what you are for from arguments for what you are against, and now
  this amazing lack of intellectual honesty in differentiating between what
  you see and what you conclude must have been.  People who impute intent
  to other people and think they have _seen_ this intent are hopelessly
  lost in their own view of the world -- because they first have to realize
  that they do _not_ observe anybody's intent, they have concluded it from
  what they have seen and what _they_ have brought to the conclusions.

  I want a place where we can discuss Common Lisp issues without having to
  wade through tons of negative commentary about Common Lisp.  You
  obviously fail to understand how your _own_ comments are negative and
  could use and sometimes _require_ a rejection of your arguments.  What is
  this obnoxious nonsense about comparing Common Lisp to PL/1, for instance?
  You, of all people, who get incensed when I ridicule Scheme a little,
  do in fact spend a lot of your time denigrating Common Lisp in this forum.

| Who is this "they"?  Can we see names or Message-ID's or something?

  You, Thomas Bushnell.

  In a fight against something, the fight has value, victory has none.
  In a fight for something, the fight is a loss, victory merely relief.