Subject: Re: Rainer Joswig a sample of the con artists the Common Lisp community   produces ( Re: thank you all, but...)
From: Erik Naggum <>
Date: 11 Aug 2002 14:00:11 +0000
Newsgroups: comp.lang.smalltalk,comp.lang.lisp,comp.object,
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* "peter_douglass" <>
| Hmm.  Care to take a sampling of the number of complaints about the hostile
| atmosphere in c.l.l and compare it with the number of complaints about the
| atmosphere in comp.lang.smalltalk, compl.object or
| Perhaps you can find newsgroups which will make c.l.l. look welcoming in
| comparison.  So what?  Are those n.g.s healthy?

  It has become accepted for losers to whine about comp.lang.lisp.  Losers
  copy losers.  You have whined about the atmosphere and other losers see this
  and think it is acceptable to whine about the atmosphere.  I am quite sure
  you saw some other people whine about the atmosphere and thought it would be
  OK for you to complain about it, too.  It is the whining losers who destroy
  a newsgroup by making it acceptable to whine about the atmosphere.  You
  should really have realized this by yourself, but apparently you feel exempt
  from affecting the atmosphere.  Why do you feel "outside" and need to
  comment "about" somebody when you are actually posting to a newsgroup?

  Do you whine about the atmosphere in real life, too?  Do you enter pubs and
  restaurants for no other reason than to complain about the atmosphere there
  because you have heard negative things about it?  Do you travel to other
  countries, states, cities you hate only to complain all the time you are
  there?  I really do not know what to make of you whining losers, but I think
  you would be somewhat recalcitrant to engage in this kind of negative
  marketing in any other forum than comp.lang.lisp.  Hence, it is because
  /you/ whine about the atmosphere in comp.lang.lisp that you see a higher
  number of such articles.  Without /your/ contribution, the number of such
  articles would be less.  Why do you fail to understand your own role?

  Do you have any suggestion for how anyone can do anything to make you stop
  whining?  That would be constructive.  Let us know precisely what you want
  to see done, and start doing it yourself.  If you do not want to do anything
  to improve the atmosphere, why do you want to do something to worsen it?

Erik Naggum, Oslo, Norway

Act from reason, and failure makes you rethink and study harder.
Act from faith, and failure makes you blame someone and push harder.