Subject: Re: CLOS is hard. Let's go shopping (Was Re: Lisp in Python) From: Erik Naggum <email@example.com> Date: 03 Oct 2002 23:57:52 +0000 Newsgroups: comp.lang.lisp Message-ID: <firstname.lastname@example.org> * Erann Gat | The fact that you are so smart makes it all the more annoying that you | don't realize how counterproductive some of your debating tactics can be. * Erik Naggum | What amazes me is that people who know statistics do not realize that | they are more productive than not. * Erann Gat | That is a subjective assessment because it depends entirely on what your | goals are. Look: Erann, I have only so much patience with you and I really thought you had started on a dialogue this time, but you have not. /Your/ view is a subjective assessment if anything else is. Your core misunderstanding is that your value judgments are nothing more than your personal view, but some absolute truth. There is a strong element of /belief/ in your view that is quite irrational. You have to understand how personal your position is before you can even approach me with such an argument. If your views are The Truth (a comment you stupidly did not quite grasp), there is no value in listening to you. /Real/ truth is not the conclusion, it is how you find it. If you only give other people the end result, but refuse to show people how to get there, you are not of assistance. Those who accept things on faith tend to behave this way. I regret to see that you are so unwilling to take part in the journey. | You might be surprised. Why insult my intelligence so gravely after you fawned over it in another message? It makes your attempts at compliments sound hollow and insincere, to put it mildly. Consider for a moment that you might be wrong. That would really be the day. As long as you believe that only can be right, you have nothing to offer me or anyone. Think about it. -- Erik Naggum, Oslo, Norway Act from reason, and failure makes you rethink and study harder. Act from faith, and failure makes you blame someone and push harder.