Subject: Re: who should read comp.lang.lisp? /civility
From: Erik Naggum <>
Date: 04 Oct 2002 00:10:40 +0000
Newsgroups: comp.lang.lisp
Message-ID: <>

* Raffael Cavallaro
| Your suggestion is reasonable, but reasonable advice falls on deaf
| ears when directed at unreasonably hostile people.

  That would be yourself.  You extrapolate from yourself to others in a way
  that is truly hostile and unreasonable.  When you could get sufficient
  help to get over your personal problems, you will see that you were part
  of the problem and exacerbated it.  Until you understand your own role
  and think you can blame somebody else for your own behavior, you will
  continue to be a part of the problem.

| Others, myself included have pointed out what we perceive as a serious
| defect with this forum - namely, that it discourages newcomers from
| posting for fear they will be unnecessarily eviscerated by those who seem
| to live to vituperate.

  You impute intention, purpose, and motive to people that you have made a
  serious effort to annoy.  From my point of view, you are clearly insane
  since you keep believing your preconceived notion the more it is refuted.

| gratuitiously hurtful correspondents

  Just because you are too fucking prejudicial to grasp what is going on
  does not mean it is gratuitious, you unspeakably hostile shithead.

| Being somewhat irrational, or at best, social-skills-challenged, these
| hostile posters are exceedingly unliklely to comply with your request.

  Please quite extrapolating from your severely limited experience.

| unecessary viciousness.

  Just because you are too stupid to see the necessity does not mean it is
  not there.

| BTW, calls for a c.l.l.moderated have generally been shouted down here as
| well. I personally feel that it would be be the best solution, especially
| if civil, on-topic threads/posts from the unmoderated group were
| cross-posted by the moderator. Part of the problem is finding a volunteer
| to moderate.

 Do you think anything you have ever posted to comp.lang.lisp would get
 through in a moderated forum?  I would favor moderation to get rid of you.

Erik Naggum, Oslo, Norway

Act from reason, and failure makes you rethink and study harder.
Act from faith, and failure makes you blame someone and push harder.