Subject: Re: Understanding Erik Naggum
From: Erik Naggum <>
Date: 06 Oct 2002 17:51:48 +0000
Newsgroups: comp.lang.lisp
Message-ID: <>

* Pascal Costanza
| OK, in order to make this very explicit: I think your analogy is wrong.

  Oh Christ.  Listening to other people's point of view is not your strong
  suit, is it?

| Sure. I have read a similar argument by Immanuel Kant, and I think this is
| right, but only to a certain degree.

  German philosophy.  Spare us.

| >   If you only want to talk about what you think and feel about things,
| >   it has no consequence whatsoever for others.
| This is not a correct conclusion.

  So?  That, too, by your own admission, is only what you think and feel.

| >   /Why/ should they listen to what /you/ think and feel?  The reason
| >   most people actually care what other people say is that they expect
| >   it to be about the same reality they live in.
| Of course.

  This clearly contradicts what you said about only talking about what you
  think and feel.  You obviously think you can get by with approximations,
  and pretty fuzzy ones at that.  I pity your miserable life that you have
  come to believe this.

| Arguments never carry their own weight. Arguments are always communicated
| by people; without people, there would be no arguments.

  Oh Christ.  You are one of those.

| I understand the dichotomy between the rational side and the emotional
| side of poeple you obviously believe in (do you?), but I think it's a
| wrong perception of reality.  (Think about it: There's no rational reason
| for being rational.)

  Oh Christ.  You are one of those.  This is just too goddamn stupid to be
  worth a serious comment.

| No, actually I don't see any contradiction in this regard.

  It is more important to you to deny things than to understand them.

| However, I firmly believe in the "Positive Feedback First" technique,

  It has stunted your mental growth, just as I argue that technique will.
  People grow from challenges.  People who avoid challenges tend not to
  grow, or worse, they tend to rot.

| > | I didn't respond to negative statements of yours, but only to your
| > | statement that positive reinforcement does not work.
| >   Huh?  Which /statement/ would that be?
| The starting point of our discussion was the following statement of yours:
| I have read this as a statement that you don't "believe" in positive
| reinforcement techniques, like the "Positive Feedback First" pattern.

  Pascal, you are an idiot or extremely sloppy intellectually, so listen
  carefully.  When you say "your statement that positive reinforcement does
  not work", that means that I made a statement to that effect.  Do you
  understand this simple piece of English?  Since you are obviously quite
  influenced by toxic philosophies that wipe out the distinction between
  what you think and feel and observable reality, you think you can claim
  that I /said/ something that you /believe/ as a consequence of what you
  /think/ I said.  This is not a fucking /game/, OK?  If you are so unable
  to deal with the world around accurately that you cannot even distinguish
  between someone else's /actual statements/ and what you /think and feel/,
  you should realize that you have nothing whatsoever to offer anyone.

| Please correct if have gotten that wrong.

  I generally think this line is produced only by retards who are too
  fucking lazy to pay attention to details.  You confirm that opinion.

| On the other hand, it's equally unwise to try to expose yourself to all
| conceivable stressful situations.

  No, it is not.  You really should talk to the psychotherapists that are
  paid to be friendly to idiots and learn what they know about coping

| The "truth" is somewhere in between.

  Oh Christ.  You're a goddamn /relativist/!

| (In my opinion, TV is one of the most dangerous sources of stress of our
| times, and exposing yourself to it is not rewarding at all. So i have
| decided to quit watching it. But I am getting very off-topic here...)

  Basket case closed.

Erik Naggum, Oslo, Norway

Act from reason, and failure makes you rethink and study harder.
Act from faith, and failure makes you blame someone and push harder.