Subject: Re: "Well, I want to switch over to replace EMACS LISP with Guile." (was Re: Lisp in Python)
From: Erik Naggum <>
Date: 15 Oct 2002 14:28:55 +0000
Newsgroups: comp.lang.lisp
Message-ID: <>

* Greg Neumann
| 3) lisp users will probably find the transition to scheme no more jarring
| than the schemer's transition to lisp

  So much approximation and so many statements without foundation...
  Most Scheme users at least have attained a level of precision in the
  regular communication.

  This is not so, either.  From Scheme to Common Lisp is like a refugee
  from very rural Pakistan who gets relocated to Oslo, Norway, and still
  thinks that he could make better food if he were only allowed to light a
  fire in his living room instead of using that complex electric stove.
  (This is a real news item.  Every now and then, landlords discover indoor
  fireplaces and occasionally the "newbies" to civilization burn down the
  building.)  While it may seem "jarring" to the newbie to learn the ropes
  of a society that has evolved at least a thousand years further than what
  they left, it would not be the same for us to try out their lifestyle.

| 4) it's free software, so emacs can be forked whether or not rms wants it
| to

  Wrong.  The illusion of freedom with supposedly free software is blinding
  to people who have never tried to make use of it.

| 5) this is a gnu project, and presumably they like to use scheme, so they
| should work on what they like.  Plus rms just might know a thing or two
| about emacs, lisp and scheme.

  Why does he need you to be a go-between to the Common Lisp community?

  Please remove some of your attitude and listen a little more.

Erik Naggum, Oslo, Norway

Act from reason, and failure makes you rethink and study harder.
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